Wednesday, January 2, 2013

关于TK的质疑,我想我还是保持理性,只解释这一次 from LL


Just of recent New Year, it has come to our attention the announcement of TK on his blog:

He is implying that our last skin, was a copy of his last skin.
We have analysed everything he said, it is unfortunate that we have to show evidence proving the contrary, when clearly there is no need of one.
The new skin was done weeks ago, even before he even released his skin files.
We only hold it would be a great New Year gift to our followers.

Our skin was used on the presentation of showing it as upcoming skin in 2012-12-08;
And even previously, it was used to showoff the Eyes N2 we have released in 2012-11-30, which was done even before.
As the Eyes were a CC pack, we planned to release them one by one, and we have been doing.
So just take the date of the first release, Eyes N1, better, on the publish of the Eye Collection, which was in 2012-11-26 and subtract that date.
It was sent to release even before as I only have time to do that on weekends.
Get the post and downloads ready so that later we just publish on the press of a button.

A skin texture really just doesn’t get done in one week or two, which is what he is implying we have done.
We all have our life and work to do, and we use our free time for our hobbies.
Knowing well the concept and difficulty of what it is the 2D mapping and texturing, specially when it comes to this.

His arguments are not very direct, pointing to details that got along ever since the BASE skin, to the draw and evolution of a new one.
There is the obvious copy, but to say we used his skin, clearly need more investigation than what one had done in one day.
This is what LL shows on her topic, to make note for the geometry shape, and texture detail spots.

Not everyone has the vision on the technical ways that is applied over the skin design.
This isn’t to come up against anyone, but as much as we’d want to become clear, some may take other things, even irrelevant ones, as an argument to decide what is really going on.
So it doesn’t matter if for both sides, show the history and development of the skin making, it won’t make any difference.
To TK, if you want to solve this matter, you contact us, as through that, we won’t make this any further.
Whether you decide to continue this on public, but don’t come to try affect us any more than of what you already have.
By this time QQ viable way or email us: sclub@mktm.co.uk
As this has come to public, all we need now is support, study it yourself.
But don’t waste too much time, as this is just a game, CC, is not that important, nor relevant to no one life.
The importance is to maintain integrity, because nothing was done.
But at the end it won’t make any difference, the truth lies where it is, whether you believe or not.

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http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_63e832e00102e55e.html

昨天在外婆家,看到TK的质疑确实震惊和意外,奈何第一感觉是愤怒,发表了不当言辞,我可以先道个歉,大家对我过激言辞的批评我也欣然接受,希望没有影响 到大家过节的心情,今天对TK的质疑,我想我还是保持理性,只解释这一次,因为相信柠檬的人依然会支持我,不相信的人可能看都不看的继续抨击我,也许只有 对此事,态度持中,心存好奇的人,才会把这些仔细看完,所以,清者自清也许就是这样了吧,大家都不是傻子,上图,自己分析,自己看就好了。
既然TK先提出了关于“抄袭”的言论,我想未必是太“敏感”了?既然捅破这层纸,我也不吐不快。
我很不喜欢别人断章取义,我从来没说过不参考EA自带texture,眼睛位置,嘴巴位置,耳朵,鼻孔我想没有
人在不参考EA前提下自己把位置定的下来。只是EA自带的效果确实不敢恭维。
就用美术专业知识来说,什么东西不是分三源色,高光,灰色调和阴影,同个物体,同阳光源就是一样的,这种两个眼睛一只鼻子,一张嘴巴的皮肤更是如此,都是用EA的原皮做基础,唯一不同的是每个作者的绘画手法。
如果要看材质,我们大可从最开始说起。如要把发布时间推到一个制高点上,那我们先看下之前皮肤各阶段的
时间节点:
 除了第一版TK比我早,但1.0到2.5我都是在TK二版皮肤之前,但我想明确一点的是,TK的皮肤一版和二版相差挺大的,并且如果非要说颜 色,光泽,色调接近,那也是你出了第二版之后的事情,但我的3.0虽然晚过你二版皮,但用过柠檬皮的人都知道,其实2.5和3.0很多人都觉得没大的区 别,我还真不知道这样说是谁借鉴谁的呢,但我一直认为这只是大家对于皮肤效果屏弃缺陷、不断摸索向完美发展过程中的巧合而已。
1.0的皮肤还在摸索阶段,但我想说明的是,从光泽到色彩,我的颜色一直到S站新出的皮肤相差都不算太“跨越”,而且在1.0的男皮我就在摸索深咖色黑皮的概念了,只是勾勒的没那么大胆。
 2.0和2.5相差不多,我就只说下2.5版。1.0只出过单眼皮,2.0增加了双眼皮,如果可拿这个做文章,那我也可以反问,TK之后版本也跟着出了单眼皮?
内眼走向,眼袋弧度,1.0就这样画了,后文我也可以做详细说明。 至于关于TK提到脸部光泽,我打一开始就是以淡阴影为主,颧骨位稍重色,脸夹略浅色,这样脸部又有立体,才会透气。但TK版皮一开始并非如此,二版之后脸颊重色逐步减弱,难道我可以借题发挥说TK抄袭我的?显然那是不可取的。
 再看下TK第一版皮,颜色很比较偏红,色彩深度接近EA自带色度,可能TK只勾勒了脸部,我理解是为了与EA身体皮更好衔接。 或者可能TK也是在摸索阶段,毕竟M2和M3完全是两回事。
 TK二版就是调整比较多了,比较明显改动的就是脸颊阴影减淡、颧骨略淡保留重色,脸夹颜色变浅,加入适当冷色,鼻梁走向发生变化(可对比看回我的2.5B版)。
这些变化大家都是看在眼里,我重来可没说这是什么抄袭,因为我们走的完全是不同风格。我也不敢说我多圣人,每版皮肤的推陈出新,都向一个完美的方向发展无可厚非,如果非要拿这个鸡毛当令箭,那所有M3M2的都有互抄嫌疑。
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如非要拿图来做证,下面是一些细节的对比个例:
这是TK版脸皮的texture,2010年10月下旬发布
仔细看下眼角和眼待的走向

这是柠檬皮第一版,2011年2月中
仔细看下眼角和眼待的走向
 蜉蝣皮第二版的修改,发布时间2011年4月下旬,同样仔细看下眼角和眼袋的走向
 柠檬一版皮与蜉蝣一版50%透明度重叠效果,眼部对位有明显差异
 柠檬一版皮与蜉蝣二版50%透明度重叠效果,眼部对位非常的吻合
 我1.0到2.5乃至3.0眼形都基本没发生大变化。
 蜉蝣一版到二版眼形的明显变化
 鼻梁由窄变宽的变化

 对于以上种种我从来没说过什么,即便我觉得我们的皮肤有相近之处,但想想也只觉得是,作为一个作者都希望自己的作品日趋完美,偶尔有碰撞也是情理之中。
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 如果再扯到S站的皮肤,我更无话可说,光泽肌理效果完全是两回事。
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 TK之后版本的单眼皮和雀斑皮,按理说应该保持你特有的窄鼻梁画法,色调和单眼部分也不该与柠檬皮和S皮一版接近,对于以上种种,即便我觉得我们的 皮肤有相近之处,但想想也只觉得是,作为一个作者都希望自己的作品日趋完美,从你以往的作品来看也知道你是个对作品认真,要求严格的作者,也并没有多想 呀,可为什么TK,你反而来攻击我呢? 难道作者与作者之间只剩下抄袭与被抄袭的关系,就不能多谢赞美,肯定与支持吗? 再说时间,S站皮肤是2012年4月发布,S站皮完全是在3.0基础上由我,MK和WM一起完成的,3.0完全早于你发布的两种皮肤版本。
 很明显,S站皮肤完全是在2.5男皮和3.0基础上完成的,怎么可能使用的是TK的那N2版,2.5版本皮肤的阴影比较重,区别于女皮,3.0基本 男女都是在2.5基础上的阴影加深,2011年2月发布的2.5皮完全早于TK4月发布的N2,何来抄袭,再说用过皮肤的人都知道我们的皮效果完全不同。 而且S皮的高亮光效果和光滑度我想更是不同吧。
我们的皮肤,一步一步走来,都是有目共睹的,不是说抄袭了谁,参考了谁,如果真要说,我还参考了达芬奇的人体结构呢,我还参考了蕾诺阿的冷暖对比呢,我还参考了法国印象派。。。。我范的着要这么做吗,清者自清,我想你也应该那么认为。
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最后来说下新发布的皮肤,可能是发布时间上的重叠,TK会如此敏感?先说下时间,我们早在几个月前就开始做新版的二版皮肤,主要就是针对肌理效果的调整,同样是在上一版上的修改。
 眼睛部分用回了2.5的效果,其他还是在S一版皮的基础上加深阴影和重新制作肌理效果。
 原谅我的懒惰,我惭愧一直就在吃老本,反复修改老皮。
我想皮肤质感和纹理完全是不同的,TK眼袋的问题,之前历史问题提到的先不说,我一直是那么画的,何来抄袭?
 眼睛部分回归的是2.5的厚重画法,其实在1.0的时候就已经尝试卧蚕靠近内眼角的明晰轮廓,但定位一直没拿捏好。所以之后出的眼袋一直就索性模糊化。这 次新版在2.5基础上再加上了卧蚕的明晰轮廓,但注意,只是限于正下方,因为这个位置好定位,厚点薄点都不会怪异。问题就是外眼角和内眼角,根本就不是我 所谓的故意避免跟TK重复而模糊,是我以前的画法就是这样,并且我也还没找好具体轮廓线的位置,索性继续模糊处理而已。
 (注:关于11月底绘制的新材质,已经早于TK12月下旬发布的新皮,下面已有人证物证。)

以上图可见,眼袋的形状,宽度,我基本都跟之前皮肤变化不大,也许是我本来就还没好的创意,算在吃老本吧。如果单是说我在眼袋正下方加了清晰轮廓线就是抄袭,那也太敏感了。
我11月发布的模特海报,已经使用的是新皮。
 以及12月8日提到的测试
 11月30日我发给GS斑竹的截图,这点已经澄清事实: http://bbs.gamesir.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=166973&page=4#pid4919678

 还有就是某位粉提到的降低色调的对比,这里童子也给出了忠恳点评:
http://bbs.gamesir.com/thread-166976-1-1.html
 这是QQ聊天记录,注意看时间。

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 我理解TK粉丝的愤怒,如果我是TK的粉丝也会如此,不过希望大家愤怒的同时,不要忘记思考,更不要攻击其他不相干的人,支持我的朋友和支持TK的你们一样都是没有错的。至于一些事情没了解清楚乱站队的人,希望保持一个客观的心态去看待问题。
最后想说,柠檬,西瓜,MK因为同一个游戏走在一起,自己花钱建立了网站,一起研究,制作自定义,是我们的生活,工作之余的乐趣所在,既然是乐趣,就不希 望掺杂这些个事情,不过有事也不怕,大家说开了,误会消除了是最好,如果不能我们也不会放弃SIMS这个兴趣,依然会创作自定义给大家分享,Sims是个 大舞台,百花齐放才能让这个舞台更精彩,对于作者之间的关系,希望能少些猜忌和敌对,多些赞美和支持,相信大家相处起来也会和谐,愉快很多.
希望一切都是误会,我尊敬TK的同时,希望TK不要再纠结这个问题,互相捏架毫无意义。不然我只能说是“欲加之罪何患无辞”。

Thursday, August 16, 2012

Tuesday, January 10, 2012

Welcome to S-club!

Welcome to our new site S-Club Privée :)


Saturday, September 17, 2011

声明 Statement by LL & WM

经过多日的折腾,终于是有了结果。

首先是TSR,非常高兴TSR对于此事件的积极迅速的配合,让事件得到了公平的解决, 对于TSR的做法表示真挚感谢。
今后,希望大家都能够以此为经验,互相监督与保护,让sims世界少些纷争多些合作。

 To TSR,

Hi, we are Lemonleaf and Watermelon.

We would like to thank you all for resolving the problem with Praline CCs.
We are are very grateful for that, as it is justice and hopefully it will give people, through this experience, more attention to this sort of matter.

For that we hope more respect comes for not only our creations but for all honest creators on the community.


Sincerely,

WM & LL


TSR connection address
http://www.thesimsresource.com/news/view-post/post/22085
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To Pralinesims,

We don't like fighting, but we don't like dishonest people either.
You lied, and even blame us for stealing from you, for then after a struggle try to apologize and be honest at the end.
We are very sorry, but we can't accept your apology, not from someone who do that.

We don't want to have any resentment over this, but it is not possible not to.

Sincerely,

WM & LL
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 然后,对于Pralinesims,

你前前后后三个不同时间不同内容的帖子实在是无法让我们体会你的道歉诚意,虽然你最终修改了你的道歉贴。
我们需要的是一个真诚的,虚心的道歉。而不是三言两语想到什么说什么。
从你的天主教从不撒谎,从来没下载过我们的材质图,到你12岁的妹妹很伤心,到请律师反告我们。从你第一封对不起,但是从来没偷你们的材质图,到现在的借用过我们的材质图作为基础。
你真的有在认真想过你写的这些都是什么?

人在做,天在看,最后,我们也希望这是你发自内心的道歉。

 Pralinesims first“ apology ” on the matter ( P第一次的道歉贴)

“ApologyAuthor: Pralinesims Posted Sep15, 2011
Lemonleaf,,

To start with.. it was big shock for me to hear that you were suspecting meand my sister for stealing your textures, would never ever do that.

After long, frustrating and difficult time came to the conclusion thatneither of us has been happy with the way things went, so am here to give myapologies for my textures looking so close to yours, you are such aninspiration but would never steal or copy your textures for any reason, thatis simply not the way am.

hope you will accept and understand my apologies and hope everything willbe the same between us again.

Sincerly,
Pralinesims



Pralinesims After the second revision of the apology posted ( P第二次修改后的道歉贴)


Lemonleaf,
We want to apologize to you for using your textures as an example.We regret it and we will never do that again, we are really sorry. We wanted to make good textures and i think it went just too far,i hope you can understand and forgive us!
I hope you will accept and understand my apologies and I hope everything will be the same between us again. Sincerly,
Pralinesims
Pralinesims After the second revision of the apology posted
http://www.thesimsresource.com/artists/Pralinesims/blog/view-post/post/22095





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E-mail From TSR to us,
Thomas O. Isaksson to WM :SU BA skrev 2011-09-14 19:51:

Hello,

Thank you for your E-mail. We hope that TSR really want to solve this problem.
We (Lemonleaf, Watermelon) requires TSR website within 24 hours to solve this problem.
Demand that the matter was thoroughly investigated in Pralinesims after a public apology to our.
We will announce our E-mails content in the 24 hours after.
We are waiting for TSR and Pralinesims reasonable answer on this matter.


Thank you.

Lemonleaf, Watermelon
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> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:32:19 +0200
> From: thomas@xxxxx.xx
> To: su-ba@xxxxx.xx
> Subject: Pralinesims and stolen work
>
> Hi there,
>
> We would like to resolve this issue with you as soon as possible. Please
> respond to this e-mail so I know this is the correct e-mail to send
> e-mails to.
>
> We will remove all work that can be proven stolen (or based on your
> work) - we just need your help in identifying them.
>
> Thank you,
> Thomas O. Isaksson
> The Sims Resource
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Cyclonesue to LL :




Wednesday, September 14, 2011

E-mail from TSR about Pralinesims's problem ,yet to be confirmed.

We have received E-mail from TSR, About the follow-up of  plagiarism our texture map Figure,yet to be confirmed.
   
Today Lemonleaf(LL)  have received a E-mail from  Cyclonesue in TSR Website, about plagiarism our texture-maps were copied by Pralinesims this figure.
Watermelon(WM) also received a  E-mail from Thomas O. Isaksson in TSR website ,about the same question.
We hope that this TSR really want to solve this problem

We (Lemonleaf, Watermelon) requires TSR website within 24 hours to solve this problem.

Demand that the matter was thoroughly investigated in Pralinesims after a public apology to our.
We will announce the E-mail from TSR and our answer content in the 24 hours after. 
We are waiting for TSR and Pralinesims reasonable answer on this matter.
 
Please pay attention to this matter together.

Tuesday, September 6, 2011

What I want to say about this.

Hello, everyone,
I'm WM. I want to say :
For me---to make the makeup, for example,  eyebrows(the Cc that I love much more to make than the others CCS--there is sb don't understand so added CCs)

1. For men or women or children.
2. What the style of these eyebrows, morden, classique, cute, etc...
3. Dark or light? (very imporatnt, different color, different effect)
4. Beginning drawing it with my Wacom, bamboo fun 99euros in FNAC(you know I'm not so rich like LL, haha)
5.Draw, modify the base texture with photoshop about 20-30 or more times, until I think the looks good.
6. Use CTU or TSRW to make the texture became a package file and then put it in game to see the result Yes or No.
(Never win make the Good Ccs for only one time, but more more more than 50 times)
7. Re-draw, modify the things not so good that in my mind.
8. Finish Ccs.
9. Share them with all the people who love Sims.
10..
11...
  
Yes, it's not Soo easy to make Ccs, every Ccs that I made with a lot of my time and heart. Like I bring up my children, you could understand?
And someday, there is another person who take away my children and say they are not mine and sell them, and also want to find a lawyer to punish me, who could give me a good reason to expliquer?
We are really angry this time with this thing, it will be never finished we know, but we can't hold it anymore, so we do that, to warning the people,  
WE CARE ABOUT OUR WORKS!
Please respect the other, then the other will respect you too!

Monday, September 5, 2011

Imitation of my work is the fact that Please stop distorting the truth-----Lemonleaf

这是原文的地址
This is the address of the original

http://www.thesimsresource.com/artists/Pralinesims/blog/view-post/post/21992/Hey everybody!

  
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我们一句一句的进行分析:
Detailed analysis :(Sorry, I'm not very good at English)
PS:“I have never stolen other creators creations or their textures! I HANDPAINT ALL MY MAKE UP with this here: http://www.wacom.com/en/Products/BambooTablets.aspx”

有什么好炫耀的?我用wacom绘图板已经6年了,使用了wacom就可以证明你没剽窃吗?!实在太无知了。
这是我去年买的,第四代产品。
What is good to show off? I use wacom drawing board for six years, the use of a wacom plagiarism can prove that you did not it? ! Too ignorant.
This is what I bought last year, the fourth generation.
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PS:“And she/or he still claims that im stealing her textures!! What a shame! I AM NOT STEALING!! I EVEN DONT LIKE HER STUFF! I HAVE NEVER DOWNLAODED A THING FROM HER OR OPENED HER FILES! BUT SHE DID!! SHE PUBLSIHED SOME OF MY TEXTURES! This is stealing! She spreads all these lies over the whole internet and i can´t believe it ,everybody believes HER/HIM.”

首先,我想说,我一看到你如此赤裸裸的恶意模仿和抄袭,我更讨厌。我也不稀罕你喜欢我,呵呵,喜欢我的人多的是。
First of all, I want to say, I see  your naked malicious imitation and plagiarism, I very hate. I do not rare you like me, Oh, people Appreciate me are numerous.
YOU HAVE NEVER DOWNLAODED A THING FROM MY OR OPENED MY FILES??WOW~~~~!
竟然是如此般的看起来相同,实在太神奇了!一次可能是凑巧,但多次也是凑巧吗?
Turned out to be so like the look the same, it is amazing! One may be coincidence, but
many also happened to it?

虽然你可笑的宣称自己“绝对手绘”,但做出来的东西和别人的非常相似。你以为我们是傻瓜好欺骗吗?
Although your ridiculous claim "absolute hand-painted," but the things and others are very similar.Do not deceive us.

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PS:“ i work so much on my make up (sometimes for hours till they look perfect enough for me) ”

太神奇了,你的制作速度真是惊人,当然,你想都不用花大量时间思考与设计,直接仿造别人的设计

WOW~~~!Amazing, the speed of your production is amazing, of course, you do not have to spend a lot of time to think and design, design of direct imitation of others

PS:“she says really bad and rude things about us she talks about us like we are the worst persons on this earth!”

少来扭曲事实,我只针对作品以及怀疑你的人品,你自己中文不好,翻译有问题
Small to distort the truth, I suspect you only for the work


PS:we don't know what to do...No one believes us now..”

是的,因为大家都相信真理,相信事实,你的谎言错误百出,当然不相信你。
Because we all believe the truth, we believe the fact that you lie full of mistakes, of course, do not believe you.

  PS: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_63e832e00102dsde.html (she even compared two very different lipglosses she want to "show" you what i have stolen from her but it cant be! this is very different!!)
哇~~~!果然很不同啊?!你当我们是傻瓜还是瞎子?
WOW~!!!Really very different ah? ! When we are a fool or blind?

PS:WE SWEAR TO GOD WE HAVE NOT STOLEN HER WORK!!!WE ARE STRICTLY CATHOLIC PEOPLE AND WE DON'T LIE.

姐无语,开什么国际玩笑,姐还信佛教呢,从来不冤枉人。
You lie or no lie, we all know, less to find the reasons. I also Buddhism people , never innocent people

PS:Anyway... if she doesn't remove my textures from her site (everybody can steal them now) i will contact my personal lawyer.

开什么国际玩笑,恶人还先告状了,你是菜鸟还是弱智?没有律师会接这个案子,因为游戏版权属于EA。少在这威胁本小姐,如果可以,我首先就要告你侵权!
SIMS novice or do you mentally? No lawyer would even take that case because EA owns the game. Do not threaten me! if I may, I will sue you first infringement!


PS:Its been wonderful two years now! We hope you still enjoy our creations!We love to share them with the whole sims community!

如果你停止抄袭别人作品,可能大家会原谅你,这是我最后想说的。我够仁慈了。
If you stop imitation and plagiarism other people work, one may forgive you, this is my last wish to say。